@Pegajace
You’re equivocating between “monkey” as a broad cladistic grouping and “monkey” as the animal actually depicted here.
The image shows a tailed monkey, not an ape. Humans are apes and do not descend from, nor belong to, the tailed monkey groups represented by that drawing.
So yes, if you redefine “monkey” broadly enough in a cladistic sense, you can include apes. But that does not make this image taxonomically accurate. It just changes the meaning of the word halfway through the argument.
@Pegajace
Honestly, this whole “monkey”/“ape” thing is just one of the peculiarities of the English language — most of other languages don’t make this distinction at all, a monkey is a monkey is a monkey. But no-o-o, English just has to make yet another unnecessary distinction that almost nobody else does, like “velocity” and “speed” (one is specifically a scalar, another is a vector), or a thumb not being a finger — like, wtf, what is it even then? And how comes it’s still “10-finger typing” then?
@Background Pony #703E
Humans are apes AND monkeys. “Ape” is a subset of “monkey;” they’re not two separate groups within primates. Not all monkeys are apes, but all apes are monkeys.
Humans are apes, not monkeys. Saying humans are monkeys because both are primates is like saying dogs are cats because both are carnivorans. That’s not how taxonomy works.
You’re equivocating between “monkey” as a broad cladistic grouping and “monkey” as the animal actually depicted here.
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Honestly, this whole “monkey”/“ape” thing is just one of the peculiarities of the English language — most of other languages don’t make this distinction at all, a monkey is a monkey is a monkey. But no-o-o, English just has to make yet another unnecessary distinction that almost nobody else does, like “velocity” and “speed” (one is specifically a scalar, another is a vector), or a thumb not being a finger — like, wtf, what is it even then? And how comes it’s still “10-finger typing” then?
Humans are apes AND monkeys. “Ape” is a subset of “monkey;” they’re not two separate groups within primates. Not all monkeys are apes, but all apes are monkeys.