@Cyborg_pony
Such is the way of the world, yo. Listen and believe. A great concept that doesn’t always work out well.
I may not agree with what you said, but I’m not about to start an argument here =D .
Such is the way of the world, yo. Listen and believe. A great concept that doesn’t always work out well.
I may not agree with what you said, but I’m not about to start an argument here =D .
I’m back, their official response was “Yer a poop face lol”.
I can explain my antipathy against this 3d wave of feminism quite well.
When you teach classes of students that being white and being male conveys levels privilege without any evidence(Gender-studies class), when they are told not to question it but to listen and believe, when they are given extra grades in class for showing to rallies decrying people who are talking about male-suicide as woman-haters and their conversation to be about hatespeech(University of Toronto protest), When you sing “cry me a river” to a man who watched his best friend commit suicide(lookin’ at big red here), that’s when I hate what these people do.
This might be a semantic thing, but I don’t hate people. I hate what they do, I hate what they represent, or what they say, but I don’t hate the person himself.
I don’t just focus on the negative aspect when I ask “what do you stand for, and why?” I want to know their motivations, their thought-process. I want to understand their position as completely as possible before even levelling even a minute judgement.
But where do you draw the line between extremism, mentally unwell and indoctrinated?
The thing I worry about most with regard to this wave of feminism is that these people have entire classes lined up to explain why white men are all racist, all sexist, all homophobic, you name it. They controll large swathes of the media, academia and hold considerable social standing. These are teachers that are indoctrinating classrooms full of impressionable students, and who will not even accept the possibility that there might be desenting voices.
Any different opinions are immidiately branded as hatespeech to be stamped out.
That is not to say that there are no feminists that I agree with. Cathy Young and Christina Sommers are two feminists that I do not always agree with, but that I have deep deep respect for. So my hatred to towards the ideology that is called “feminism” is not a blind hate. It’s not all-encoming. It’s just the current frankfurt-school of feminism that is so toxic that it actively endangers men and boys in the western world. the UVA rape-case is a prime example of this. Or the Rolling Stone article about College Rape-culture.
You also should ask who is calling who sexists, racists, homophobic, ect. and why?
what I’ve seen the most is a lot of these people just call people these things to discredit them, and gain some moral high ground while spouting incredibly sexist and racist ideas and views. Such as women are too weak to think for themselves without ideology of feminism. Men can only be abs unless they convert to feminism and be “allies” while they’re undermined and treated like garbage at every turn and when asked what about their feelings they’re told “ Suck it up. Get used to it.”
Um…
Because I don’t know how to form a proper reply here, I’ll instead remind that I did mention extremest views in my first post. This is important. Because extremism often overlaps with insane.
Anyone that has… well… that many ideological followings probably doesn’t have a sane mind to begin with. I just wanted to mention that, even though I know that’s not where you were going with it. Of course nobody has that many maladies.
But in the aspect of any of them, I still hear where you’re coming from. “Where do you come from?”
The only question that I myself always ask is, “Where does your hate come from?”
This is one of the most difficult questions to ask someone whom clings onto ideas like sexism, racism, homophobia, or nationalism. Why the hate, yo?
As much as I appreciate being polite about things, there does come a point where honesty has to come about.
I’m not going to start anything in particular, but I am also not a fan of sugarcoating things.
I won’t go in depth about this subject, because doing so would keep me typing a post so long that the Derpibooru-website couldn’t handle to it, so I’ll leave it at this statement.
When someone comes to me, and tells me that they are an MRA, Feminist, Scientologist, Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Egalitarian, Anarchist, Neo-nazi or s with any other large group, I ask two things: “What do you stand for personally, and why.”
Reason being that such labels are kind of meaningless untill you know the interpretation that the specific person you’re talking to has of the subject he is talking about.
If you must call me anything call me a person, and then we can talk about what I truly believe.
I appreciate it. Staying cool is paramount, after all. If we devolve into another silly argument, it pretty much destroys that which we’re actually arguing about.
fine i’m not going to start anything
Let’s not let it start, bros.
We’ve been perfectly polite for the past few posts. Let’s stay that way. You know, just in cast it could eventually start.
John Oliver’s anecdote about a women going back to work after giving birth. Since I didn’t see any proof this is real, and I doubt Oliver provided any I’m ignoring it.
Which a lot of progressive use anecdotal evidence to make push their narrative.
>What is presented without evidence, and be refuted without evidence. Which a lot of these progressives like John loath because they’d rather people “listen and believe”
the fuck are you talking about?
It’s not a great concept that shouldn’t work at all. It’s a dogmatic principal to indoctrinate people and keep them from using thought in a cult. If someone said to you
“Hey, don’t eat/watch/play that. It’ll make you a rapist/schoolshoooter/misogynist. Don’t think about, just listen and believe me.”
Would you? I wouldn’t. Even in science, if we had just “Listen and Believed” Galileo when he said the sun was the center of the universe, we wouldn’t know that that isn’t the case. We just sit there and say “Nope. Galileo told us the sun being the center, not that we just be one system in an entire galaxy of billions. Don’t you listen and believe?”
“listen and believe” is never a good concept though…
I’ve never liked this idea from the start, it’s the sort of thing cult-leaders would say. It’s the sort of thing Scientologists would say.